Sadly I won't be able to be there but my heart will. Now is there any one who is going that can take 3 little lambs with them for me. I will mail them to anyone who is going.
Lee
Lady Lee
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silentlambs march- please get ready now!
by silentlambs inthe silentlambs march is fast approaching, i encourage one and all to get your hotel reservations and make your final travel arrangements.
we have a listing of discount hotels if you need assistance.
we are going to have a police escort all the way to the front door of 25 columbia heights .
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Tiring of Anti-JW causes?
by ashitaka ini'm kind of burnt out from being pissed off at jws.
tonight, while talking to a friend who left at the same time i did (several years ago), we both spoke of our apathy towards the whole anti-witness movement.
recently i helped in several anti-jw actions, and i thought i made a difference, although it was a pittens compared to others who have come before.
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Lady Lee
When I first left the JWs I really needed to deal with my childhood abuse issues (pre JW). In doing that I realized that an old childhood desire to help others who had been abused. Naively I went into that think I would rid the world of child abuse. So naive. But I learned. I could work on just my tiny piece of it. Very small and often I would never know what effect I had.
I have been blessed though in knowing I have made an impact on people's lives. But I also know I have made an impact on people and never knew it at the time.Years later I have met people or heard from people who tell me they saw me speak somewhere or read my web page or read a comment I made. One even told me she read an excerpt in a book that someone else published that hekped her. But I think those are the rarities. Most often the impact is unknown.
After a few years I began to deal with the JW issues and I still am on some issues regarding this. I have no idea how far reaching my words go on the internet. But the last month has been odd. I have 3 JWs emailing me right now. They are at a cross-roads.
A month ago another one was emailing me. For now she has decided to stay. But seeds of discontent are planted in her heart. Not by me but by her experiences. But she is asking questions. Her discontent will grow and as it grows she will reach out again. Maybe not to me but I am sure she will reach out again.
For every person who has posted in here there are amny more lurkers. Those who are in. Those who have left. Those who are studying. Those who have a relative in - or a girl or boyfriend. Or someone just interested. We just never know.
I am very lucky because people tell me that what I say helps them. Hopefully it helps others too.
One thing that I learned about recovery is that in the telling of our stories, in the sharing of the process, we release the hold that the abuse/control/stigma has over us. I often tell people recovery is like peeling an onion. Each layer will trigger new aspects of what we went through. Many layers will make us cry. But eventually we reach the core - the sweetest part and sometimes the most painful. I our sharing we heal ourselves.
Sometimes we do need a break. I take them and disappear for a bit. But then I am back for another layer of my onion or to offer help someone peel another layer of theirs. Either way I am stronger
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Is there anything that could make you go back?
by sleepy inis there anything that could make you go back?.
what do you think, is there any change of belief or change of circumstance that could make you return to the jw fold?.
i cant see anything that could make me go back,but i was thinking mabye some of you religious types would go back if they changed some doctrinal things,or if they stopped banning blood.. how about if a family member was dying and hoped to see you in paradise would you go back for a while just to make them feel happy?
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Lady Lee
lobotomy
brain transplant
senility
just plain old losing my mind
and even then I think it would have to take my stomach too cause it would be tied in knots
and my hands which would be all nervous and clammy
might as well take my feet too cause they would be movin so fast to get the rest of me outta there
guess they could have what's left after I'm dead - might be the only way some of them want anything to do with me anyways
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What did Bleep Say?
by ISP inbleep said something critical of bill bowen....the post was deleted.
did it use profanity/unaccepted curse words?
deleting stuff is ok......but the board can deal with it, especially posters like 'bleep'.
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Lady Lee
The problem was the presentation. I would sincerely hope (and truly believe) that no parent with a child that has just been raped and is still wearing the same clothes (as in Bleep's illustration) would be running off to find an elder. And with all my heart I doubt that any elder seeing a child in such a condition would say go study your WT. The scenario was ludicrous. The solution Bleep provided was also ludicrous that immediately the mother would go to Bill Bowen.
No one on either side of this debate has ever suggested that victims and their families call Bill immediately after a child is raped. The advice has always been
GO TO THE POLICE
For Bleep to suggest otherwise makes a mockery out of the abuse issue and of the victims and their families. The insult was not to Bill but rather to the victims and their families
Now if Bleep really wants to discuss/debate this perhaps Bleep can come in here and explain why he is making his point in this manner. Perhaps he can expalin why he reposted the material . But I see he hasn't been around. So what does Bleep really want - to discuss and debate or just hurt people?
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I have it saved and from what I see the problem had nothing at all to do with calling Bill an apostate
Edited by - Lady Lee on 17 August 2002 11:51:52
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DID AN ELDER EVER HELP YOU?
by minimus inthere are so many horror stories about elders.
many people dislike or can't stand elders, in general.
a number here have been truly hurt by some.
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Lady Lee
Well I thought I knew a couple of nice ones. One I still think was nice. The other grew horns and a tail
ANSWER = NO
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My Disfellowshipping
by silentlambs inmy disfellowshipping
as with anyone associated with jehovahs witnesses the worst possible news anyone can have is being df.
it means a loss of everyone and everything you have known all your life.
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Lady Lee
Like Bobsgirl I too have waited many years for someone - anyone - to say the cover-up was wrong.
Thank you Bill and family and all those others, named and nameless, who have helped you to stand up for the victims and say "Enough"
Bill Your work in this regard has stirred many memories in me (as well as many others). It has offered me healing in a way I never expected. Your work has opened a window in my heart that I didn't even know was closed
Thank you for this gift of healing and recovery
Lee Marsh
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Family members of molested
by RubyTuesday inwho here has had a family member molested by a jw?.
my neice was molested by her jw step father.the elders went to court in his behalf.the congergation banned together and sent an avalanche of letters to the court, stateing that he was a good clean christian.the judge believed them over my 11 year old neice.he was sent back to live with her.. this was at an english speaking congergation in salinas california.if anyone knows an elder named deitrick(not sure of the spelling)beware!!
!he will protect and cover for pedophiles.
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Lady Lee
1 aunt (baptized) sexually abused by her father and her 3 brothers (V, F, & R) (all baptized JWs) and her brother-in-law (FM)
1 brother (L) abused by an uncle (R from the above)
1 sister (R) abused by her father (FM above) who was not baptized but was going to meetings for 4 years and door to door. R was also abused by 2 of her brothers (L & J)
Me - not baptized - abused by 3 uncles (V, F, & R above) and step-father (FM above)
R and FM were both reported to the elders. Elders recommended sending girls to live elsewhere and kept the abusers in the cong. Not reported to the police, medical of family services
FM had a history of abusing young girls and after leaving my mother went on to become a foster parent - of girls
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Please......
by Mimilly in...... do not use details when describing any abuse that happened to you while posting under this section.
if you need to use details, please, i ask you to put 'details' along with the subject under its appropriate section.
for those who have been abused, details can trigger them and cause mental and physical storms that can last for days and cause self destructive tendancies to surface or even impair the ability to function.
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Lady Lee
Well put Mimilly - a small addition like TITLE - Graphic or DETAILS would help a lot of people avoid triggering info. Most boards for survivors of abuse do this
(((((Mimilly)))))
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CNN Live
by Larry inexcellent program!!!!!!!
the young ladies and bill were great!!!!!!!!!!!!.
peace - ll
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Lady Lee
Now six - really victims are given special counseling - shut up or else - sounds really "special" to me
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CNN Live
by Larry inexcellent program!!!!!!!
the young ladies and bill were great!!!!!!!!!!!!.
peace - ll
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Lady Lee
I agree that the show was well done and all three did a great job
BUT
the JWs won't. They will see the anger and say Bill is just another trouble-making apostate.
While WE understand their anger the JWs won't. They will see it as sour grapes.
Will the world see this and wonder about just how honest and "clean" the JWs are who come to their doors.
I certainly hope so.
I rather enjoyed the earlier piece on pedophilia and the Catholic Church - good intro to see how they ARE dealing with it instead of sweeping it under the carpet. I'm sure they are rather glad the focus is now on them cleaning up the mess while the JW are still busy in hiding things